Jill from Westbury wrote:Just had another thought. You could start two sites (I know, not recommended for beginners) and do the "make money online" one a blog where you talk about what you are learning along the way. Not sure if this has been done, but might be fun to see someone learn as they go and using their "site" as an example.
Again, just a thought if you really want to enter this market.
Yeah... I actually would like to see more sites like this, where the user is: "I'm just starting out, here's what I'm gonna do. Let's see if it works" And then each day we get updates like: "Well that sucked, I won't try that method again. Here's why it didn't work..." and "This is great! You guys gotta try this method. Look at my results."
You know, an HONEST diary of someone's making money online journey.
There are far, far, far too many sites of: "Now this is what you do to make money online. I know because some big shot guru told me it worked for him..."
Way too many phonies trying to fake it til they make it in the MMO industry. Which is why so few make it and so many fail. The short of it is, people just don't like being lied to or cheated on and if someone who never made money on online, suddenly is telling them how to make money online, they feel lied to and cheated on, when they discover that person never practiced what they preached.
MMO is not my niche, but because I am making money online in my niche, it's common for others in my niche to contact me and ask how I do it. And I always tell them... "Here's how I started out, here's some things I tried, here's the things that flopped, here's the things that worked, here's why I think these things failed and those things succeeded, etc" And then I always tell them: "This is just my results. I don't know if they'll work for you or not, all you can do it test out different things, and see which ones work for you". Even though I am making money online, I don't consider myself an expert in the overall MMO industry, because really, I only know how to do my niche and target my audience,
It's like what Debs was saying...
Debs from SiteSell wrote:Yes, because too many go for something they just don't have any level of credibility in YET!
Expertise/credibility/street cred ... all the same thing, but especially essential for online site owners. You need to show you KNOW what you are talking about. Until you do that success thing yourself, you are literally running uphill with your knees tied together and holding your breath, the competition is ENORMOUS.
For a beginner, find something easier to win, gain the cred, THEN think about another site if that is where you still want to go.
Just my 2 cents,
Start out with a niche you know. Figure out how to make money with THAT niche.
Then later, 4 or 5 years from now, once you've figured out what works for you and your niche, then, start a new site, but not a MMO in general site. Instead start a "How to make money online in the ____ niche".
For example, my site is an author site. Lots of articles on how I create characters, settings, plots, etc for my novels, to teach new writers how to create their own characters, etc for their novels.
Well, I started doing that in 1996. My site moved hosts, several times, changing url each time, before finally ending up on SBI in 2013. So along the way I learned a lot of stuff about building my own site and making money online with it, and how different hosts effect your site, etc. Thus on my current version of my site, you see a section titled: "web building for authors" and within that section subsections titled: "SEO for authors" and "how authors can make money online".
It's only a small section, only about 120 or so pages (on a site with thousands of pages) and like I said, MMO, SEO, web building are not the focus of my site, but rather helping authors get their publishing career off the ground is the goal of my site.
But here's the thing... MOSt authors hire someone to build their website's for them. Only a handful of authors build their own sites. So whenever an author comes along who wants to do it themselves, they seek out other authors who did it, and run into a brick wall because so few authors do their own web building. This results in those of us few authors who do build are own sites, getting lots of emails from authors asking how we do it.
Thus the addition of a tiny section on my site, devoted to telling authors: "Here's how one author, me, builds web sites, does book marketing SEO, and uses my site to bring in an income in addition to my books"
It ends up, being not me telling the population in general, "Here's how to make money online", but rather, it's targeted at a very small and very specific group of people, within my niche. Thus you see me showing which keywords are best for AUTHORS to use on their site. I've got one page that is nothing but a list of the top trafficed keywords for marketing fantasy novels, another page that is a list of the 640 twitter hashtags to help authors get more book sales, a page on how to make book vlogs on Youtube and embed them in your site, to help readers learn more about your novels. I've got a page on how to find affiliates that specialize in products for authors and readers, to help authors monetize.
See? I'm not trying to teach EVERYONE how to make money online in general, rather I'm just showing my fellow authors: "Here's a way you as authors, can make a side income online to enhance your novel writing career"
And so that's what I was talking about, when I said before: Start out with a niche you know. Figure out how to make money with THAT niche. Then later, 4 or 5 years from now, once you've figured out what works for you and your niche, then, start a new site, but not a MMO in general site. Instead start a "How to make money online in the ____ niche".
I started out in 1996 with a niche I knew (writing novels, creating characters, etc) and now 20 years later, I've been making money online via various methods for well over a decade, so now I've got a section of my site devoted to: "So, here's how I did it. Here's how I got to where I am today."
Because I've been online doing this so many years, I can show people my old sites (most of them are still online) and so when they ask... "Where's your proof? On what site did you test this method out?"... I can show them... "Here, I did it on this site here."
Wheras, if you are just starting out and you tell people how to make money online... and then they ask you: "Where's your proof? Where did you test this out?"... but because you are just starting, you have no other sites to show them, and once that happens you lose credibility and then no one will trust anything you say after that.
Thus, you build a niche topic site first, about a hobby near and dear to your heart (do you breed hamsters, collect comics, play baseball on weekends, play PS4 games, grow roses... what do you enjoy doing more then ANYTHING else? Whatever it is you love to do... THAT is your ideal niche to build a site on, because you know it and love it and can chatter happily about it for hours...) ...
Build your first site on a niche near and dear to your heart, and spend 4 or 5 years perfecting your own methods of how to make money with that site. Keep track of everything. Then once you've succeeded in making money with that site, then is the time to start your 2nd site on MMO for beginners, and teach them: "This is what I did, and I'm going to show you exactly how I did it. Look, here's my 1st site, the one I tested these methods out on, you can see I am actually practicing what I preach and am not just rehashing something I read online that someone else did."
That's the best way to build credibility in the MMO industry. By being someone who ACTUALLY makes money online BEFORE you start teaching others how to do it. That's why people like Darren Rowse and Tim Ferris reach the top and millions of others failed. Because Darren Rowse and Tim Ferris practiced what they preached, long before they started preaching it.
And I definitely think Jill's suggestion would be awesome. Start 2 sites at the same time and put your money making tests to one, while using the other to track your progress. Definitely would be more work, but I think a lot of people looking to get into the MMO industry would enjoy seeing and following your daily progress of you first hand accounts.
Hope that helps you out, and good luck with it.